(This one is going to raise screams of outrage from many people, but, realistically, it is hardly an exaggerated perspective on either of these men. Again, I just want to challenge people's unthinking acceptance of generally accepted shibboleths. Enjoy.)
Field Marshal Sir John Greer Dill, and General of the Army George Catlett Marshall (for whom that
somewhat convoluted title was apparently invented, on the basis that Field
Marshal Marshall sounded pretty silly), were two of the four great Allied
generals who ran the British and American – and the Combined – Chiefs of Staff
in World War Two.
(The other two being Field Marshall Alan Brooke who ran the Imperial General Staff from 1941-45 as 'CIGS' - Chief of Imperial general Staff, and
General Henry Maitland Wilson, who replaced Dill on the Combined Chiefs of
Staff after his death in 1944.)
Whereas both Brooke and Wilson had extensive front line experience during the war to back up their desk roles later on, Marshall and Dill could collectively be called ‘the 5 star bureaucrats’, because they spent most of the war behind desks, without ever commanding in combat in the field. (Dill held a Corps command in France during the Phoney War, but was recalled to be assistant CIGS before the German attack on France began).
Whereas both Brooke and Wilson had extensive front line experience during the war to back up their desk roles later on, Marshall and Dill could collectively be called ‘the 5 star bureaucrats’, because they spent most of the war behind desks, without ever commanding in combat in the field. (Dill held a Corps command in France during the Phoney War, but was recalled to be assistant CIGS before the German attack on France began).
Both of these
lifelong professional soldiers were undoubtedly great men. Both inspired
loyalty and affection from the vast majority of people who knew them. Both were
respected as great thinkers by many of their contemporaries in their respective
armies. Both were superior organisers, and both played an immense
– possibly even an irreplaceable part – in steering the Allies to victory.
Both also
played crucial roles in international affairs during their lives. With Dill's decisions about Greece and Malaya in 1941 both altering the course of the war and world history; and Marshall’s
roles in wartime, post war government, post war China, the Cold War, and in the Marshall
plan for aid to Europe, ranking as outstanding achievements for any soldier.
But neither had any
experience as a successful battlefield general, and it would be fair to suggest
that neither of them demonstrated skills that would have been particularly good on the battlefield as 3
or 4 star generals.
In fact, given that both demonstrated
significant flaws in geo-political thinking and strategic planning as 4 and 5
star generals, it is possibly a long bow to suggest that neither was a very good
general.
Despite all their
undoubted achievements, were they in fact failures as generals?
George Catlett
Marshall was distantly descended from the old aristocracy that Americans like
to pretend they don’t have, though his family was relatively minor Virginia aristocracy
(and of course slaveholders), and he came through an impecunious junior line. Many
of his early ancestors were soldiers – like Martin Marshall, the first to enter
the Virginia Military Academy, only to be invalided out after damaging a knee
at the battle against General Segel at Shenendoah river; and Thomas Marshall,
who fought at Valley Forge.
[One of his
biographers – Robert Payne – commented that the families who fought in the US
Civil War were often fighting a ‘continuation’ of the English Civil War,
because they were largely those same families of Roundheads and Cavaliers who
had fled England in the 1600’s. It is an amusing conceit, to which it is fun to
add the great comment from the classic book 1066
and All That, roundheads versus cavaliers = 'right but repulsive versus
wrong but romantic'… an excellent descriptor for both civil wars…]
George Marshall’s
immediate ancestors were lawyers and businessmen – not very successful ones in
some cases – though there were many more significant figures like judges and academic leaders in the family tree. General Basil Duke apparently summed up most of
the Marshall’s as a group, when he commented of Loius Marshall – the first president of
Washington University – “His opinions were frequently inaccurate, for they were
much controlled by his prejudices, but were often profound, always striking and
original”.
Many might later have made this same point about George.
Many might later have made this same point about George.
Like many young
officers of the time, Marshall served as a platoon commander in the newly
conquered Philippines, and saw some service in guerilla warfare against the
resistance movements. But his first significant posts were in the area that was
to become his life work – as an aide de camp to a chief of staff.
During the Great
War he specialized in training and planning, particularly helping to plan the
first attacks by US Army troops in France, and then, under Pershing, helping plan the main US parts of the Meuse-Argonne offensive. In the few months he operated
in France, he probably had a more significant planning role in operations than
any US contemporary who was still active in the Second World War.
His interwar roles
were mostly training and staff duties, except for the 3 years he commanded the
15th Infantry regiment in China. (On what every other major nation on earth, except
the US and the Soviet Union, of course, referred to as ‘imperial and colonial policing duties’). Still, between
the Philippines and France and China, he certainly had a wider exposure to the
real world of international affairs than many of his contemporaries.
By 1938 Marshall
was assigned to the War Plans Division in Washington, and that ended his
association with anything other than desk roles. Still a mere Brigadier,
he soon became Deputy Chief of Staff, where he distinguished himself as one of
the few people who would not just tell Roosevelt whatever he wanted to hear.
Although it was assumed by many that this might end his career, instead it
attracted Roosevelt to nominate this incredibly junior officer to replace
General Malin Craig as Army Chief of Staff – a position he held throughout the
war – on the day Germany invaded Poland.
To put that in
perspective Malin Craig was a Brigadier General in 1921, a Major General in
1935, and an honorary 4 star General from 1936-9, whereas Marshall was appointed
Brigadier in 1936, and was jumped to an honorary 4 star General in 1939! (By contrast
Dill was a Brigadier in WWI, a Major General in 1930, Lieutenant General 1936,
full General 1939 – with seniority backdated until 1937. Alan Brooke was a Major General in 1936, a Lieutenant General in 1938, and a full
General in 1940. Wilson was a Brigadier in 1934, a Major General in 1935, a
Lieutenant General in 1939, and a full general in 1941. All these 3 were only
raised to 4 star rank after leading a Corps or army in wartime – though Dill’s
front was inactive during his time there.)
It is no exaggeration
to suggest that Marshall was stunningly junior for this promotion, particularly
given the quality of many of the officers he was jumped over.
It was even more
surprising than the almost contemporary decision of the British government to
promote Lord Gort from Major General to 3 star and then – a few months later – a similar 4 star position, over the heads of many many far more qualified senior
officers. (And we all know how poor Gort turned out! His almost complete
failure as CIC of the BEF being a prime example of the flaws of over-promoting
a man described by his contemporaries as ‘the ideal man to command a
division’.)
Dill, although
from a not-disimilar family background to Marshall, had quite a different military
background. He was already a Captain studying at Staff College when the Great
War began, and served as Brigade Major and in many other roles through four hard years of war.
He was Mentioned in Dispatches no less than 8 times during the war, finishing as a
Brigadier and Head if Intelligence at GHQ.
Also considered a
gifted trainer, he interspersed field, training, and staff positions through
the interwar period, serving in 'hotpsots' including India and Palestine (the latter as CIC). He (and Wavell)
were overlooked as potential CIGS when the politicians made that astonishing decision to
appoint Lord Gort as a PR profile exercise (while Adam would be the 'brains' to keep things working behind the scene). So Dill belatedly received the command of I Corps in the BEF during the Phoney
War, only to be recalled to become CIGS when Churchill took over the
government – just in time for the German attack on France, and the disasters that
led to Dunkirk.
In contrast to
Marshall, Dill was the man most of his contemporaries had expected to be
appointed CIGS in 1937. His appointment in 1940 was considered to be the
righting of a wrong, and there was considerable relief that one of the most admired
and trusted thinkers in the army had taken over after the twin disasters of the
too junior Gort and the almost fossilized Ironside.
It is perhaps not
surprising therefore to note that between the time of Marshall and Dill’s
respective appointments to the top jobs and Pearl Harbor, Marshall was almost
universally admired for his impressive administrative achievements against all
odds; while Dill was generally considered to be not very successful.
Marshall
was overcoming skeptics who had underestimated his ability, whereas Dill was
failing to satisfy people who had put too much faith in his ability to be the
great white hope to save them from the disasters of his predecessors. (To be
fair, Gort and Ironside may not have been the sharpest stylises in the box, but
they had been given impossible hands to play by the stingy politics that had
gutted their commands and their allies morale for the last 20 years…
Marlborough, Napoleon and Alexander the Great combined would have struggled to overcome
such odds.)
So Dill spent 1940
and 1941 presiding over one disaster after another, while Marshall spent it
calmly rebuilding his forces in peacetime.
Having said that,
Dill cannot be held blameless for the disasters. The great example being his
contribution to the extension of the war when he colluded with Foreign Minister Anthony Eden to undermine the early British victories in North Africa, and commit to
the chaos and renewed series of defeats that would result from an intervention
in Greece.
In 1940-41, the great
British success had been the Royal Navy domination of the Mediterranean Ocean
against the odds, and the successful offensive by O’Connors Desert Force (under
Wilson’s control) in destroying most of the large Italian forces in North
Africa. (In 'Operation Compass' O’Connors 35,000 men defeated more than 250,000, smashed 10 divisions
and took over 130,000 prisoners, 420 tanks and 845 guns… similar numbers of troops – if much better equipped – to the British and American surrenders to the initial Japanese attacks the following year in what were generally called ‘the greatest military disasters’ of their respective armies.)
O’Connor was
poised on the Libyan border, ready to make his final assault to clear the North
African shore (and incidentally capture a young German General called Rommel who
had only a few German Reconaisance troops with him as yet), when Dill suddenly agreed to shut
down his campaign, and divert the majority of the available skilled troops to a
‘forlorn hope’ campaign in Greece. A campaign that was to end in unmitigated
and completely foreseeable disaster, and lead to another two long years of
bloody and unproductive see-saw battle across the North African shore.
Admittedly the
decision to back Greece was more of a political one than a military one.
Britain had entered the war to meet its guarantees to neutrals like Poland and
Greece. So doing so was probably a moral issue, even if militarily foolish. But
in practice the great Greek leader General Metaxas had rightly felt that
bringing in British troops to his local fight with the Italians would only
inflame the situation, and lead to Germany having to intervene. He preferred
British support in the form of military equipment and supplies, but definitely
no troops! So it was only his unexpected death that had opened the opportunity
for British intervention.
Typically
Churchill was torn between enthusiasm for such a venture, both for its moral
attractiveness, and for its propaganda effects. But he was cautious enough to
issue a last minute warning that the risk should not be taken if it was too
dangerous.
Unfortunately,
with the eternally simplistic Anthony Eden completely caught by the positives,
the dispatch of Dill to supervise the discussions with Greece effectively left
the balancing vote to him alone. He voted 'yes', and effectively
threw away the very good chance to finish things in North Africa, for the very
doubtful chance to have any effect on mainland Europe.
Alan Brooke
records in his dairy his appalled reaction to such foolishness. “Why will
politicians never learn the simple principle of concentration of force at the
vital point, and the avoidance of dispersal of effort?” (It is notable though,
that he placed the blame a the feet of the politicians, rather than Dill.
Later, when himself in the position of CIGS, he would have – and did – fight
tooth and nail against similar proposals!)
Perhaps worse was Dill's practice of appointing fellow administrative staff types to executive combat
roles… the outstanding failure being the appointment of the very good
administrator and planner Percival, to the totally unsuitable role of combat
commander to deal with the inadequate strength and poor moral of the Malayan
defenders. He also acquiesced in Auchinlek's appalling decision to let the far too junior Neil Ritchie assume command of 8th Army in North Africa. (Brooke’s comments on the ‘ruining’ of good officers by appointing
them to totally unsuitable roles are particularly scathing regarding these two, and he was delighted to 'rebuild' and redeem Ritchie later in the war as a very good Corps commander.)
So by the end of
1941, we have the situation where Dill had repeatedly failed to meet impossible
expectations, to the point where a frustrated Churchill referred to him as Dilly-Dally, and
was replacing him with Brooke. Whereas in Washington Marshall had exceeded all
expectations, to the point that when war came Roosevelt would quite happily
ignore the convention that control of the army was divided between the back
room chief of staff – Marshall – and the actual field commanders, and just let
George take control of the whole shebang.
At this point in
the war, it would seem that Marshall has everything going for him, and Dill is
going to be left as another failed footnote like Gort and Ironside.
But this is where
it gets interesting.
When Japan kicked
the United States into the war, and Hitler obligingly declared war to complete
the package, Churchill immediately headed to Washington for a conference with
his new allies… taking the long established Chiefs of Staff for the Admiralty
and Royal Air Force with him, and leaving the newly appointed CIGS
– Brooke – at home to mind the store. Brooke, rightly concerned about what
impossible promises Churchill might make, convinced him to take Dill along as
the army representative. Thus was one of the most interesting, and perhaps
fortuitous accidents of the war.
Dill and Marshall
clicked. Both old fashioned gentlemen of significant intellectual achievement
and high moral codes (and both somewhat fussy bureaucrats at heart): they just
fitted together seamlessly. So much so that the next thing the alarmed Brooke knew
was that Churchill had not only signed up for a ‘Combined Allied Chiefs of
Staff Committee’, he had agreed to it being based in Washington, and to Dill
being the British head!
On the positive
side, Dill undoubtedly did more to manage good communications between fractious
allies over the next few years than just about anyone else could possibly have
achieved. He became a close friend of all the other Chiefs of Staff, including Marshall, and even King. (The US Chiefs of Staff were his coffin bearers, possibly the only time in the war they all walked in step without argument!)
Dill's personal intervention
repeatedly headed off or defused many tricky debates. In fact it is the years
1942-1944 that have set the seal on Dill’s reputation as a great man, and
someone to whom the Allies owe a great debt. This period is when Dill’s status
as a failed leader was completely revised, and his immense qualities finally
accepted by all concerned.
(On the negative
side, Churchill’s delegation of split control of operations between different competing
sets of Chiefs of Staff institutions caused most of the fractions that Dill had
to paper over, and was a constant source of frustration to Brooke. He would
clearly have preferred the co-operative staff approaches of the previous wars,
with a good communication team run by Dill, to a conflicting set of Chiefs
causing constant irritation and endless conferences that never quite agreed…)
Still it is not
Dill’s fault that Churchill and Roosevelt’s ‘Combined Chiefs’ became such a convoluted mess.
Rather it is largely to his credit that he almost single handedly made the
hodgepodge of conflicting prima-donnas function as well as they did. (His
eventual replacement, Wilson, later commented that just getting Marshall and
King to work together, let alone get a united team result from the whole group, was a truly amazing achievement…)
Dill did superb
service in those years, and is now almost universally considered one of the
great Allied leaders of the war.
By contrast,
Marshall was clearly considered a super performer at the time of Pearl Harbor,
and was now in the invidious position that Dill had held earlier... the great hope, expected to
achieve impossible results. But, despite the peons of praise thrown at all the
leaders who were involved in winning the war, he never again showed such
outstanding results compared to expectations. (Until, post war… when his most
spectacular achievement was the truly inspirational Marshall Plan to rebuild
Europe. Undoubtedly the most impressive achievement of his very impressive
life).
Part of the
problem was that Marshall’s Roosevelt approved takeover of complete control of
the US Army – relegating his supposed equal/combat superior/whatever in charge
of actual combat units to second place – suddenly meant his bailiwick expanded
from mere staff duties to executive control of the armies military operations.
Worse, to the position of making all strategic decisions for the US Army… a
role he was arguably not particularly well trained or suited for.
Given that
Roosevelt effectively delegated his ‘commander in chief duties’ to his chiefs
of staff too, that meant that there was little check on Marshall’s preferred
directions. Indeed the Combined Chiefs of Staff for the next 4 years became a
battle ground between Marshall’s strategic fantasies, King’s arrogance,
Brooke’s caution, the other members frustrations, and Dill’s flexible – but possible not too well directed – attempts to get everyone to compromise in the same direction... sometimes. Into this mix
both Roosevelt and Churchill would periodically drop unexpected, unwelcome, or
plain foolish, directions.
Marshall’s first failed
test was his fantasy that an invasion of Europe could happen in 1942.
Considering that he was the one who knew how slowly a US buildup of trained
units was proceeding. This was ridiculous. His follow up insistence on 1943 was
no better.
Marshall was then forced into
North Africa by a deal between his President and the sneaky Churchill. (Intent
on derailing both Marshall’s fantasies and King’s threatened divergences to the
Pacific, and determined to find an alternative to the ridiculous promise of a second front in 1942, Churchill convinced Roosevelt that the only way to get US troops into action in
1942 was in North Africa). Marshall was appalled by this, and effectively entered a sulk about
getting his way that he held for the rest of the war… regardless of the consequences.
From that point on Marshall appears to have automatically assumed that
Churchill (and the British Chiefs of Staff – he seemed unable to distinguish that the two often differed in thinking), were always trying to manipulate
Roosevelt, and leave him hostage to King. Thereafter he simply refused to
consider any strategic concept, or reaction to changing circumstances, that did
not fit his pre-conceived ideas. General Basil Duke’s description of what was the common attitude of all ‘Marshalls’, was pretty
evident.
As a result his
total contribution to strategic policy for the rest of the war was to pressure
for the approach that a junior Colonel in planning (Eisenhower) had recommended
to him just after Pearl Harbor. Nothing else seemed to enter his thinking, and any alternative that was suggested almost automatically triggered his opposition. He
also showed very little sign of strategic ability beyond the most simplistic…
what has been described as ‘frontal attack by the most direct route with the
most units spread on the widest front possible’. What probably needs to be
added to that is ‘regardless of unnecessary casualties’.
The strategic low
point came when he used Rooosevelt’s illness towards the end of the war in
Europe as an excuse to ignore the concerns of his supposed Allies
– Churchill and the British Chiefs of Staff, the French, and the many other allied governments who we're providing troops at the front: while letting
Eisenhower play around in a role he was unsuited for – ground forces commander – and largely ignoring his main political duties, and even abandoning most of central Europe to Soviet occupation. The British
campaign to keep Greece out of the Soviet clutches was despite Marshall's opposition,
and he did everything in his power to make sure that no similar efforts were
made in Yugoslavia or Czechoslovakia. The physical position of the ‘Iron Curtain’ that
Churchill later described, was decided with Marshall’s very active connivance.
Or should we say,
his wartime strategic low point was
letting the Soviets run riot in Eastern Europe. His post war
intervention in China has been widely accepted from Chiang Kai-shek's perspective – his ‘cease-fire’ and then gutting of Nationalist China’s capabilities – being a
large part of the direct cause of China, and then much of the rest of East
Asia, falling to Communism over the next bloody 30 years…
In fact a very good argument can be made (and has been made by many Chinese and others) that Marshall can be held largely responsible for minor things like Communist adventurism in the Korean and Vietnam wars, and the decades of Communist oppression that followed in Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, China, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia... should we go on?
Marshall’s selection of leaders wasn’t much to shout about either. Much is made of his selecting Eisenhower. (I have my reservations about whether Ike was experienced enough to be a good SAC or ground forces commander, but am still willing to suggest he was a much better choice to run SHAEF than many of Marshall’s other efforts.) But the list of failures is far longer than the list of successes.
Marshall’s selection of leaders wasn’t much to shout about either. Much is made of his selecting Eisenhower. (I have my reservations about whether Ike was experienced enough to be a good SAC or ground forces commander, but am still willing to suggest he was a much better choice to run SHAEF than many of Marshall’s other efforts.) But the list of failures is far longer than the list of successes.
Fredendall ("I like that man, he's a fighter" was Marshall's comment),
Dawley, and Lucas are the Marshall beloved failures that everyone recognises.
Much worse failures include J.C.H. Lee (Jesus Christ Himself as his appalled
subordinates referred to him) whose incompetence, and frankly corruption, at
logistics greatly contributed to Germany holding on into 1945. Also Clarke, who
should have got an Iron Cross from a grateful Nazi party for disobeying his
orders at Rome; and such barely competent lightweights as Hodges, whose
poor performance contributed so much to the Germans initial success at the Bulge. I would add Stilwell and MacArthur to his list of 'should have been fired', if he had the guts to take the political flack. It is unclear whether his appointment of Patton, sacking of Patton, then
re-appointment of him at a lower level than his previous subordinates, can be
considered in any way sensible or coherent either! I am sure you can think of many other examples.
His tactical
thinking wasn’t much better. The entertaining book ‘Dear General’ is the
correspondences between Marshall and Eisenhower over the 3 years Ike was
running campaigns for him. It is notable that Ike’s very humble initial letters
became more strongly worded as he matured in experience, and completely
dismissive (in the politest possible terms) of Marshall’s tactical suggestions
later on. Particularly when Marshall suggested paratroop operations that would
have made the suggested one at Rome or the actual one at Arnhem look like safe
and sensible alternatives! Marshall showed growing signs of not having graduated his tactical
thinking much beyond his interwar training exercises.
But the real nadir
of his contribution was in his supposed field of excellence – training.
Marshall and McNair between them concocted the appalling and deadly
‘replacement’ system, which ensured that inadequately trained generalists were
dumped into specialist units after months in generic pools with no ongoing training. Many had no clue how to use their own weapons. Casualty rates amongst these replacements were so shocking, that experienced
troops usually didn’t bother learning their names until they had survived a
week or two. Resulting in units of overtired and dispirited veterans being
exhausted and bitter (and quite often deserting to Paris) as their fresh replacements were slaughtered through inexperience.
One commentator
noted that the German army itself could not have devised a better system for
degrading US forces.
Possibly 20-30% of
all US Army deaths during World War Two can be directly attributed to
Marshall’s failed ‘replacement system’. (And that is before considering the
additional deaths that resulted from the probably lengthening of the war by his
overly simplistic strategy, and his constant refusal to take alternative
opportunities as they arose.)
So it is with some
confidence that we can suggest that Dill’s star rose from failure after Pearl Harbor, but Marshall’s descended slowly into revealing his weaknesses. Fortunately for him,
a descent that only avoided becoming public humiliation due the Germans
collapsing. The war ended before the American public came to realize how
closely Marshall’s policies resembled the unnecessary ‘Lions led by Donkeys’ sacrifices of
troops during the Great War.
So how do we rate
Marshal and Dill as generals?
Did they make the grade at any level of what I long ago posted as 'the essentials of generalship'.
Both had a well
demonstrated leadership capacity at basic levels. Both would have/did make good regimental officers
interwar. Both would have probably made good Brigadiers, and possibly Major
Generals – with strong enough superiors guiding them – had a war turned up early enough. (And had they had the chance to
learn new tactical doctrine to replace the outdated thinking that was too
evident in both of their tactical assessments throughout the war.)
But both seemed to
lack the attributes necessary for Corps or Army command.
Despite Dill actually
commanding a Corps during the Phoney War, his service as CIGS seems to indicate
that he was probably not the right person to maintain ‘grip’ when all around
him was coming apart. Particularly in the heat of the sort of battle that
Brooke excelled in during the French campaign. Frankly, for all his faults, Gort
was probably a more decisive man to make the decision to cut his losses than
Dill would have been. (Though Gort too would have probably gone along with the
Greek adventure, on the belief that the politicians are the boss. It took
someone like Brook to point out that suicide missions are not helpful!)
Marshall had the
strength to say no to things like Greece in 1941, but apparently not the
strategic wisdom to understand that Greece in 1945 was different to Greece in
1941. In fact one looks in vain for any suggestion that he ever let any new information affect his pre-determined viewpoints. Stubborn to a level that makes Churchill look flexible, he actually resembled Ironside far more than any of his fawning biographers should be comfortable with! He never really looked like the right person to command a Corps or Army.
Neither had the
experience or skill to command an Army Group, but would either have made a good
Supreme Allied Commander? Here we are on more interesting ground.
Marshall
would probably have been theoretically better than Eisenhower at SHAEF, because
he would have had no problem delegating a Ground Forces Commander., and sticking to the real job. Having said
that, he also had no recognisable tactical or strategic knowledge of modern
combat conditions, and appalling judgement about subordinates, so parachuting
him into a field command in 1944 might have been disastrous.
Perhaps Dill would
have been better there, but again, the 1941 Greek mistake, let alone his
selection of men like Percival for leadership roles, is not encouraging.
Was either
suitable to be Chief of Staff of their respective armies? Well, no.
Dill understood
the problems, but consistently failed to control things when he was the executive.
Whereas Marshall was all too good at controlling things, he just failed to
understand what he was controlling (and whether he should be controlling it).
Both must be considered failures when they served as their armies senior strategic and planning thinkers.
Both must be considered failures when they served as their armies senior strategic and planning thinkers.
Mind you, both
were supreme administrative bureaucrats. If Marshal had been doing Lee’s job in
the invasion of France (and Patton or Truscott or Eichelberger or any other
real combat general doing Marshall’s), the war would probably have been over by
Christmas 1944!
Frankly Dill and
Marshall were unsurpassed administrative officers. But neither were good
executives.
Their real roles
were administrative support, where they excelled.
Both would almost
certainly have been failures as senior combat generals.
As executive
generals directing strategy, training, and appointing combat leaders, both were
decidedly uninspiring.
Happy to see a post from you. Love reading your stuff.
ReplyDeleteEisenhower was indeed a 5 star bureaucrat. Can't say there was much talent, but mainly grade C competence in all the Allied commanders.
ReplyDeleteDear Beobachter,
Deleteactually there was quite a bit of talent available, but far too often it was overlooked - Hobart - left in inactive roles - Paget - sacked for stupid reasons - Patton - or promoted too fast to cope - Eisenhower or Ritchie.
In fact the problem was often bad picks by the higher ups... and this is my main complaint about Dill and Marshall, who far too often backed the wrong horse.
Dear Nigel Davies
ReplyDeleteIt's been a delight to have found your comments. Good show. I wonder if I could presume to suggest you one or two topics. The first is, who was running Allied strategy in World War II? As far as I can tell, leaving aside the War in the East (Russia) your perspective is that the core steering of Churchill/Brooke was being deflected by Roosevelt/Marshall until those in actual charge started to muddle thru, often despite their shortcomings or misplacement. Second, I yearn for the follow throughs of some of your what ifs, particularly of a 1944 Western Europe campaign or, implicit, I will admit, what would have been a more effective command structure in the Pacific.
Keep up the good work and all that kind of thing.
Cheers,
Domício.
PS. I am not much into subscribing and such, but will come back.
Dear Domico,
Deletein the West, Brooke held back Allied excesses of enthusiasm until his well thought out strategy had set up a situation where victory was possible. He did this against the best efforts of Churchill, Roosevelt and Marshall. To mid 1943, his strategy was followed, and it won the war.
By 1944 I can't say anyone's strategy was being followed. The pre-agreed invasion of France happened, but with no clear plan about how operations would be managed, what the military goals would be, or what political outcome was desired.
It is notable for instance that Italy ended the war as part of the West after surrendering in 1943, and Greece only because the British went in despite Marshall's opposition. The mess that became a the Iron Curtain, was because no one's well thought out strategy was being followed post 1943.
The East is worse. If ABDA had a strategy it is hard to see. After that the war against Japan is just divided fiefdoms that rarely co-operate, and certainly don't co-ordinate very well. What MacArthur was doing in the Philippines, or Stillwell in Burma and China; had to do with Nimitz's or Mountbatten's campaigns, is hard to fathom. More energy and resources were wasted here to even less effect, and the post war Communist Domino movement is even more unforgivable than the Iron Curtain.
If MacArthurs desire to liberate Philippines was a thought out part of Allied strategy, then the British should have been liberating Malaya and the East Indies, not send a fleet to help bomb Japan.
If the goal was to defeat Japan as fast as possible, then clean up later: then Malaya and MacArthur's Philippines operation should presumably both have been left to latter.
What the goal was with China, and where anyone expected China to finish up, I have never really been able to work out at all.
The thing of it is that battles are generally won by who "Git[s] thar fustest with the most mostest" (Bedford Forrest)and that's a function of logistics (and good generalship, of course). Eisenhower's strengths were his good common sense and his experience writing orders for the movement of supplies and personnel (that's why Marshall elevated him above a lot of senior men). Hooray for good staff!
DeleteUlysses S. Grant began his military career as a quartermaster (war with Mexico) -- I invite you to weigh in his abilities.
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